Do You Agree with Jason?

Thursday, January 26, 2006

Where's the pressure?

I am just wondering how, specifically, that 'Do You Agree With Jason?' is going about pressuring people to believe what we believe?

This whole thing has started with a question, followed by some people who acknowledge that they agree with something, and finished with that person stating his beliefs.

I guess I just don't understand where the pressure is, or how this event has tried to make anyone agree with Jason.

If you don't agree...you don't agree. Okay...

-iagreewithjason

30 Comments:

At 11:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you want us to listen to the message and not question something that may or not be what we believe to be not on the level? Isn't that a part of putting out a campaign like this? You can't have the good and not have any of the bad. Did you honestly think stuff like this wouldn't happen?

 
At 11:59 PM, Blogger I Agree with Jason said...

Sure I expected people to not agree with Jason. Jason expected people to not agree with him.

I invite you to question.

Is inviting you to agree or disagree pressuring you?

-iagreewithjason

 
At 12:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, but the informational blitz as well as the army of green shirts and having to see the Jason thing everywhere is pressuring us to even think about it

 
At 1:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to add to the above comment..I actually had a friend say that he was approached by the Jason t-shirt people and was offered a flyer. Upon his polite decline of their offer they proceeded began to more agressively put the flier in his possesion. My friend, not interested in any of the campaign finally surrendered and took the flier from the jason-ers on his one side and threw it into the trash that was immediately on the other side of him.

To me, that does sound like pressuring. Maybe when you do this campaign again another 4 or 5 years from now you make sure that your voulinteers know their bounderies. If someone doesn't want a flier and/or doesn't care about the campaign your voulinteers need to be better trained in their manners. I think you would agree that the two voulinteers acted inappropriately and were misrepresenting the campaign a little, too.

Oh, and I understand that that may have been only those two people or perhaps an isolated incident, but nevertheless I think you may want to pay closer attention to how your voulinteers are behaving in the future for your sake (and ours too).

 
At 2:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i also found this campaign to be agressive and not called for. Instead of presuring others to follow your beliefs, why dont you just lead by example...

 
At 2:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes actually I did feel a little pressured. Not only that, but when someone came up to offer a friend of mine a flyer, I was completely ignored when I asked a question. I also think that they shouldn't have just handed them out to people. By three o'clock on Thursday, I could have had about 30 flyers in my possession. I think you could have just simply kept the table in the SUB where people could have picked up a flyer if and only if they wanted one.

 
At 3:22 PM, Blogger stripes said...

People are looking for a reason to despise this campaign and one of the easiest things to say is "it's secretive and therefore deceptive", or "it's secretive and people are pushing their religion on me." It's not deceptive--if it were deceptive we would have promoted one thing then presented something completely different. It's not a matter of pushing one's religion on people--it's about getting people to think about the worldviews they cling onto and question whether those answer the deeper issues in life (assuming you think that there is meaning to life). People can think what they will, we are free to, but don't be so quick to form opinions before you've sought after the truth and can back it up with more than your feelings. If people had gone out and searched for the answers, they would have known what this campaign was about. But apathy seems to be prevalent on this campus and people want an answer in two minutes or less--or we get ticked and think people are being secretive. Creating an air of mystery about Jason was to encourage people with formed opinions to come hear Jason out, and give him a chance, before they completely rejected the whole thing. It's only fair to give the guy a chance to speak and give your arguments a two-sided view. Now if you didn't go to the event, you can form your own opinions or whatever, but you didn't even hear Jason out--therefore you still have a biased view of the whole thing (yes, hearing Jason speak is different from reading about his speech in the Observer). If you went to the event, you have my complete attention. Go seek out the truth, ask the whys, and don't form an opinion because someone adequately puts to words what you are feeling. Your feelings and the facts are different, so search the facts. This also goes to the ones who felt they were pressured to take a flier. If you want to refute, refute on the basis that you have done your seeking and therefore feel confident that you have found the answers after a long and arduous search. After all, aren't we always looking for more? As far as the campaign goes, there will always be a reason to protest something because people see what they want.

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully they'll just go back to their own circle and leave the rest of us alone

 
At 5:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is supposed to be a separation of church and state because this is a state funded public institution, but you guys are putting your messages on white boards in every classroom with notes to "save the message." This was not a school sponsored event therefore the messages on the whiteboards should not have been taking up space that we have to look at. You can wear you t-shirts and pass out your fliers (in a nice manner) but stay out of my classroom.

 
At 8:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

106 of the first 108 colleges were started by and for the Christian faith; the Bible was the central textbook. Public colleges. This would suggest that when the constitution was written, a slightly... different definition of seperation of religion and state was intended. But, my rantings won't change anything soon so on to my point.
I wanted to add my own two cents to respond to some of the questions presented at the "I agree with" meeting.
1)The suggestion that it is hypocritical to think that Jesus is the only way to God because a large percentage of the World believes very differently. I don't understand the hypocrisy in that comment, just because 99% of the world thought it was flat, didn't make it so, so because 80%??? of the world believes that there is a different way to God, that does not necissarily make it so.

2)The two door comment- This example is based on the thought that humans will always choose the easier door, the better life door. My friend, 19 years old, has chosen to be a Missionary in Nepal. It is illegal for him to be there, leading to arrest and possibly death. Did he choose the better life door or the harder life door. Throughout history people have chosen harder, more difficult lives for an endless number of reasons. The point is that some people choose a harder, more difficult life for themselves and it is not just human nature to choose the door of the easy life so the analogy that homosexuals must be that way because they would choose the other door if they could, breaks down.
3)I want to make, what I believe christian views are, clear. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I have seen in the bible is:
God loves homosexuals, God loves every thing he created, particularly people. The cry of the entire bible is that God wants the people of this world to return that love. That is formost above everything else. When a person does come to love God, God asks, do you have a perfect life? And us, being rather imperfect humans must say no. God then proceeds to hold up the perfect life, designed specifically for that individual and says here is the perfect life for you, this is what I want for you. And by giving yourself to Jesus, you allow your life to become more and more like that perfect life. That life though, does not include homosexuality. Not that this is an instant change, Christians work their entire lives to grow closer to that perfect life, so being homosexual could be part of their life for a day, a year, ten years, their whole life. The point is that the individual is willing to allow God to control every aspect of their life.

And I am sure I will get responses that homosexuals cannot "change" that they are the way they are. Let me point something out. I don't deny that homosexuals may have an instinct to desire the same sex. I don't have an argument for or against. But I can tell you that since the day I entered puberty I have had every fiber of my being telling me that I am an adultress. I don't want to stick with one woman, I don't want to wait to have sex before I'm married, and when I do marry, I'm gonna want other girls. That is how I'm "wired" that is what I want but I make a concious decision every day to say, that is not how I'm going to live. Now can I stand up and say, I was born that way, I can't change that. I think I can say that. But I still have a choice, to follow my natural instincts or to make my own decisions.

 
At 10:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

God loves homosexuals? If so, then why do they get ripped on by just about everyone including most religions? Geroge Carlin said it best when he said that if this was a decently run universe, God would have been out the door years ago!

 
At 1:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You just countered your own question. Just because homosexuals get ripped on by most religions and people in those religions. Yet as also stated God loves all of His creation, that is every race, sex, and creed; however, not ever one is treated as though God loves them, and that is just how people are. They don't see the world as God see it. They only see it as they want to see it.

 
At 7:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would just like to point out that homosexuals do NOT choose to be gay. They are in fact born that way. It's something happens in the process of changing chromosomes. So for everyone who says that gays are just on the wrong path, or they need to change their ways don't know what the hell they're talking about.

 
At 7:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They won't change their mind, that's what these Christian groups do. They're very open as long as your in 100% blind agreement with something you don't have the right to question.

 
At 8:27 PM, Blogger TelGerot said...

I'd just like to offer my .02, if I may.

First off: I didn't actually get to go to the presentation on Thursday, since I had evening classes. I would have liked to go, just to see how it went.

Now, my thoughts on this whole campaign/event/whatever:

1) The advertisement of this program sort of exceeded what I felt to be the boundaries that all clubs on campus should abide by, not just religious ones. Say what you will about the method (holding people in suspense), I don't think it was appropriate to use the classroom white boards to advertise this campaign. There are plenty of areas to advertise club events all across campus; but school classrooms are not one of them. Unless the the event is specific to the department (i.e. putting up Teacher Fair advertisements in Black), I don't feel that it is an appropriate technique. Especially to the extent that it was done... one whiteboard per classroom, fine... but every single one? There's more than one whiteboard per classroom for a reason. Professors sometimes need that space for drawn out examples for their lectures, and taking up the equivalent of half a whiteboard isn't really fair to the students or the professors that utilize those rooms. Plus, I have to question the validity of using those areas to advertise in the first place: Was th at SUB/BOD approved advertising technique? Because I don't see what would be stopping people (in the future) from putting up fliers and posters on whiteboards if that is the case. And quite frankly, that can get out of hand.

2) Now my thoughts on the actual method. Let's put some things out on the table:

a) Nobody was forcing anyone to go to this meeting, post on this message board, accept any fliers, or agree with Jason and his message.

b) This event IS a duplicate or near-duplicate of several events in the past, both on our campus and on other campuses.

c) The clubs involved have every right to commit to the activities that are involved, with the questionable exception of advertising on the whiteboards within school buildings.

All that being said, I think that the advertising aspect of this program is just as effective, if not more effective than previous incarnations. It certainly got people talking about it, for better or worse.

However, I'm a little curious as to what sort of results came from this event. Was there any converts or interest shown by people outside the clubs associated? Or was it simply an event intended for the people of the clubs themselves? I think the reality of it was this: It was a good event for those involved and anywhere from a non-event to a complete nuisance/annoyance to those who are not associated with the groups. I'm not saying these people 's feelings are justified, it's just the general feeling I got. Many people felt it was a scam, or a little dodgy. Those who believe in what Jason has to say may not see it this way, but you have to look at it from the eyes of people who are utterly against what the clubs involved stand for, OR who would rather not be affiliated with a club that would put on such an event. I'm pretty sure this was foreseen though by the event organizers, so I guess it was just something that had to be dealt with.

Personally, I can understand where the clubs involved are coming from; and if the event really helped bolster their resolve and commitment for what they stand for, good for them. However, if there was -any- sort of desire to establish a wider base of members or believers in what Jason has to say, I think the campaign was more of a flop than a success.

And that's all I have to say!

 
At 12:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big flop

 
At 1:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so if homosexuals have a chromosomal mutation, does that make them more or less of a person? sounds like weird science excuses to me.

the long and short of it is that God has told us what to do through the Bible and if we disobey that, no matter what your skewed interpretation is, you will pay. and not because God doesn't love you, or because Christians discriminate blah blah blah, but because every single person in this world has a chance. a chance to look God in the face and say yes or no.

make your excuses if you want, and we'll see what happens.

 
At 2:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes it feels good to be bad!

 
At 7:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, I never said it was a mutation. When your in the process of becoming a human being, chromosomes are changing and hormones are being given, whether it's testosterone or estrogen, and sometimes the change goes too far, or doesn't go far enough and the person ends up liking the same sex or a different sex. It's not an excuse. Just don't expect someone to change what can't be changed.

 
At 9:25 AM, Anonymous Dirk said...

If the Bible isn't true, than all the fuss is for nothing.

But if the Bible is true, or "the Truth", it's really a big deal. The concepts in it are so mind-stretching and its ramifications so permanent that it's easy to see why some would get a little radical about it.

 
At 11:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dirk, good word. those are some good things to think about!

 
At 1:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the future, a new campaign would be great. Or, at least, leave six or seven years until the next one. I remember Tyler and Pete - I didn't agree then, and I surely don't agree now.

 
At 5:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i never went to the jason meeting.. oh well.. i dont know who he is.. thats ok.. i dont know what he agrees with exactly, other than what i read. but i wouldnt say i agree with him. i would rather say "I agree with Jesus." jason isnt in the Bible, and he's not gonna save me or get me to heaven. thats all i want to say..

 
At 12:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Organized religion is a sham.
It is a time for people of "faith" to sit and barade other people's faith or their stance on the religion. The Bible and christian religion are so contradictory it amazes me. If we are to follow the Bible, then we must follow every word. Do not pick and choose which sections you wish to follow or not. Therefore, all men with long hair MUST be stoned... *sigh* i'll go get the rocks.

Move on people.

By the way, what makes the Bible so high and mighty? What places it above the Coran? Or any other religious text? Why is God any better or more real than Buddha? Have faith, by all means, but don't go around preaching whose faith is right and who will do what. Be catholic, be christian, be agnostic, be atheist, and let others do such. It amazes me how open and loving some faiths set themselves up to be when THEY are the ones to cast the first stone and the different. Disappointing. . .

 
At 8:56 PM, Anonymous Landon said...

I am actually familiar with this campaign as I have read about over the internet. I don't have a problem with any other religion int he world. I have attended many religious club meetings, many which were interfaith dialogue, on the westside at the University of Washington and several community colleges. The problem that lies here is ignorance. Basically after attended this event and hearing "Jason" say something to the effect that any other religion out there besides his is wrong was disheartening. I know and understand the stance of every person of faith believing that their religion is the divine truth. But by making a statement like this in public, where it is obvious that members of other faiths will be present, creates rifts, not ties. People came to this event to learn and understand Jason's faith and beliefs (even though most didn't know that), not hear him disregard others. Think beyond the Kittitas Valley next time and learn about other faiths. Even though someone may not agree with your beliefs, opening dialogue with other faiths will make your events better.

 
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